tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post8666620525160120673..comments2024-03-08T14:32:18.493+11:00Comments on Path of an Outcast: Australian Masters 2017 - Part 7Swordmasterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09735639525894232458noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-25425311821987737622018-01-01T11:14:29.095+11:002018-01-01T11:14:29.095+11:00Hi Dan!
Thanks a lot for your detailed comments! ...Hi Dan!<br /><br />Thanks a lot for your detailed comments! I will address them in the same order you wrote them:<br /><br />1. I agree. Andrew played very well and even if I didn't make mistakes he would have played a very solid game. I like how each element of his army has a good role to play and how they interact with each other so that the army is more than just sum of the units. I wonder what is his list going to look like after CoK2018 release because his units are going to be affected.<br /><br />2. Yes, with Indirect rule they can ignore cover as long as they see the target and with 60" range they can reach far. Taking cover is risky because it significantly limits the options for movement and charges so my intention was to do so only for the first turn. But even then it was tough. Andrew mentioned that his Mortars play that role where you can't ignore them and you need to detach some fast and potentially powerful elements to silence them down. But in doing so you do not engage with the main battle line and and any damage mortars do in the meantime is a bonus. <br /><br />3. I tried to shoot at them but Andrew played his game well. First, due to poor deployment I could not reach all the units I wanted in my first turn. Then the chariots got charged and due to proximity of the melee, Sea Guard was also in difficult situation. Fast cavalry soon was in the situation where to reach Gargoyles it also had to get into charge range of other units. <br /><br />4. I haven't played against this hero before but I assumed it is a difficult target to take down so if he is occupied elsewhere then great! Unfortunately, I didn't quite plan to distract him with Drakon Riders. If only I kept them moving that would have meant he is a bit further from action. He joined the fight when the game was decided already so lesson for the future is that I may need to sacrifice Drakon Riders, for instance, to make them the only victim of his attacks. <br /><br />5. I didn't quite intend to use Chariots as bait but when I discovered I can either do so and still try to shoot at gargoyles or stay away from the charge distance but not shoot at them I chose the former. Andrew initially was not sure it is a good idea to attack either but he decided to do so in the end and this time that paid off.<br /><br />6. I am sure we all have stories of silly mistakes like this :) However, it was still a bit annoying as I didn't know why it actually happened. I am ok with mistakes, I accept them but I need to know how to learn from them. In this case it is a bit difficult :)<br /><br />7. This charge was a consequence of bad maneuvering earlier. I noticed I cannot comfortably pull back so I decided to charge to pin the horde down and get into flank with my Palace Guard regiment next turn. The plan failed as I didn't anticipate the mortar hit that would waver Palace Guard and I made a mistake of allowing Greater Elemental to flank charge the cavalry.<br /><br />8. I agree. In this game I was outplayed in addition to my mistakes and that was the reason where I simply reacted to the movement of the enemy, gave up the initiative from the start and failed to diminish the losses I suffered through the game. Tough lesson but it was great to play against such a good players as Andrew and if I can make it to Melbourne tournament in 2018 then I am sure I am going to have a chance for a rematch :)<br /><br />I am also glad people can learn from my mistakes even if I sometimes feel embarrassed by the decisions I made :D <br /><br />Cheers!Swordmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09735639525894232458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-56007874104837778742017-12-31T22:27:43.464+11:002017-12-31T22:27:43.464+11:00Thoughts on this game:
1. He has a fantastic list...Thoughts on this game:<br /><br />1. He has a fantastic list, and he played it fantastically. I remember in the event preview mentioning how nasty this list was because of the gargoyles and basusu. Gargoyles, basusu and slave orcs are all taking a hit in the new CoK18 I think which makes up most of his list! <br />2. Mortars can be very game breaking if they are on and it’s hard to counter them. They don’t take penalty from cover if I remember correctly. So the only other option is to hide completely which is not an effective countermeasure as you saw. It is usually better to just accept casualties and advance, but if they have a few good turns (especially against your list without hordes) a hit can usually be a dead unit!<br />3. I still think shooting at gargoyles is the right play. You have the cav and chariot shooters which can shoot over slave orcs and a couple points of damage is “usually” enough to render them ineffective. Did everything that could shoot shoot at them (chariots and both cav units)?<br />4. You don’t have a good counter for basusu in your list. Not many lists do. Basusu is great against units with lower nerve (troops and regiments) because she has a high enough volume of attacks to waver/rout with a decent roll. Baiting and having a unit ready that can punch hard is the best way to deal with her. You had the drakon Riders there as bait but no unit to counter. <br />5. I wouldn’t have used the chariots as bait early in the game. They are some of your most versatile pieces and are fantastic in the late game. <br />6. Human error (forgetting to move/attack) will happen eventually and it is a good learning experience. At my last tournament, in my first game (which was one of my two losses) I forgot to deploy a 170 point unit in an 1850 game :0. I was so embarrassed! But I learned from it as I’m sure you did. <br />7. The biggest surprise mistake was the double charge against the middle horde of slave orcs which was a high risk with a low chance of success. Sometimes when we look back when we aren’t in the middle of the game we think, “what was I thinking!” I think that often in my own games haha!<br />8. The key to beating his list is either removing the gargoyles before they can cause problems, or forcing him to use them in situations that he doesn’t want to which is much easier said than done. Being able to threaten multiple units is the trick. Then he has to start making tough decisions!<br /><br />I bet you’ve learned more from this report than most of them. I appreciate you writing it up even though it may have been a tough one to think about again, but as you can see from the comments, many people got to learn from this one which is what it’s all about!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04880233343826942633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-8399293592227738402017-12-16T09:46:06.894+11:002017-12-16T09:46:06.894+11:00Hi Toman,
Thank you for your comment and support....Hi Toman,<br /><br />Thank you for your comment and support. I greatly appreciate that!<br /><br />I didn't know that Slave orcs and gargoyles are considered not priced correctly and that it may be addressed in CoK 2018. I didn't mind that there are 3 hordes of Orcs and 4 troops of gargoyles though. <br /><br />In fact, it was the first time I played against such army and I value the experience, even the tough one when I got tabled. My plan was bad and I made a lot of mistakes and that contributed to my defeat. At the same time, Andrew had a solid plan, executed it very well and exploited my mistakes. He should have been awarded with a very good result and he was!<br /><br />The good thing about it is that I can learn from such games and there is room for improvement! <br /><br />Cheers!Swordmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09735639525894232458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-29289897854282805332017-12-16T02:30:09.008+11:002017-12-16T02:30:09.008+11:00Slave orcs and gargoyles are both known to be unde...Slave orcs and gargoyles are both known to be underpointed and most likely will have their points increased in CoK18, so don't feel too bad about this loss fighting against an army that spammed those units. Tomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06635733680300820765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-70665642334494308432017-12-15T22:23:15.807+11:002017-12-15T22:23:15.807+11:00Thanks for the comment and kind words! I really ho...Thanks for the comment and kind words! I really hope that was the last time I forgot to move the units :DSwordmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09735639525894232458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-43190010744982097212017-12-15T22:17:43.654+11:002017-12-15T22:17:43.654+11:00Downhill from early game. But this is the stuff u ...Downhill from early game. But this is the stuff u really learn from! Great report and good sportsmanship. Most irritating to forget a regiment, u will not do that again for a while ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-37850267989633023242017-12-15T21:19:43.855+11:002017-12-15T21:19:43.855+11:00Yeap, it was painful experience. At this level of ...Yeap, it was painful experience. At this level of competition any mistake will be punished more than usual. Swordmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09735639525894232458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-56748416844853175372017-12-15T21:17:00.676+11:002017-12-15T21:17:00.676+11:00It was, that is indeed simple truth. Ah well, at l...It was, that is indeed simple truth. Ah well, at least there is plenty to learn from :)Swordmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09735639525894232458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-60443397578388536782017-12-15T21:16:18.319+11:002017-12-15T21:16:18.319+11:00Hi gumbi!
Thanks for the comment! It is a good q...Hi gumbi! <br /><br />Thanks for the comment! It is a good question. I thought I do not feel the pressure and the focus was high on one game at a time. But there is always a lot going on in the background of your mind and I wonder how much that affected my performance. <br /><br />I certainly didn't expect to make that many mistakes so something definitely affected my decision making.<br /><br />I will do my best to provide a new report during the weekend!Swordmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09735639525894232458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-14085041232497293222017-12-15T19:49:25.359+11:002017-12-15T19:49:25.359+11:00Ouch ....Ouch ....Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02535528508791467785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-84288765957399946892017-12-15T13:15:52.232+11:002017-12-15T13:15:52.232+11:00Brutal. Great report though. CheersBrutal. Great report though. CheersThe Kiwihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06829184068503627810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3921669614910911724.post-20572222665473704962017-12-15T07:52:05.932+11:002017-12-15T07:52:05.932+11:00Ouch - rough game mate, I think your summary is ri...Ouch - rough game mate, I think your summary is right, it looked bad from the start.<br /><br />After reading 2 reports I think you might have been feeling the pressure? too many simple mistakes. Can't wait to read the rest.gumbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01823934703283816727noreply@blogger.com